OGSA Teleconference - 15 September 2004
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* Participants

  Dave Berry (NeSC)
  Abdeslem Djaoui (RL)
  Ian Foster (ANL)
  Andrew Grimshaw (UVa)
  Hiro Kishimoto (Fujitsu)
  Andreas Savva (Fujitsu)
  Frank Siebenlist (ANL)
  Jem Treadwell (HP)
  Jay Unger (IBM)

* Agenda bashing

  - Decided to skip the Use Case document discussion since Jeffrin is
    unavailable.
    
* OGSA v1 public comments review

  - A number of comments submitted; many are editorial
  - Olegario sent to Jem a list of acronyms from the spec. noting the
    ones that are not explained in the glossary
    
  - It is good that people have read and commented in detail
  - No plan to change the document before GGF12
    - Will summarize the results at GGF12
    - Will then have to review in detail and reply/fix
    - And re-submit to the GGF Editor

  (Question regarding GGF Editor's role: Decide whether document can
            be published with input from GFSG. In principle could ask
            for extensive rework of the document.)

* Roadmap document review

  - Ian: changes looked reasonable. Did not notice any major changes.

  - One change was the removal of the sentence "However, OGSA-WG is
    not in the business of endorsing such activities ahead of time."
    - The people on that call were not clear what this meant: do we
      set standards or just set goals. The statement seemed to imply
      that OGSA does not set standards.
    - Ian's intention was to highlight the need for increased buy-in
      and that we cannot just dictate what is distributed computing to
      the industry.

  - The main issue is how to proceed from now to GGF12 and in
    particular whether we can add stuff to the document from now to
    GGF12.
 
  - Things that would be nice to add
    - Bar chart (spec rollout schedule)
      - Jay is working on doing a version based on the one from Mike's
        F2F presentation.. He will send it to Hiro when he is
        done.
    - Dependencies in final section

  - Probably no time to do this work before GGF12.
    - But the intention is to keep revising the document and add
      explanation
    - If we can get a revision in time then send to Stacey; current
      doc is already up.

  - Agreed to arrange for some time at GGF12 to discuss the roadmap
    - E.g., get some time in an existing session to discuss it
    - Jay has a conflict on Thursday
    - Second slot of EMS (Wed) is a possibility
      - Andrew, Ian, Jay, Hiro should be able to attend.
    - Hiro to add to the schedule.
    - In that session, rather than go through the document, do a
      presentation to explain thinking behind the current document

* GGF12 session schedule review

  - In the outreach session try to attract more people to the design
    team meetings by mentioning the different design teams and what
    they are working on and when they are meeting
    - Do this in the explanation of the v2 process

  - Dial in information has been added

  - Data team has a more detailed agenda (separate document)
    - Morning focusing on metadata; probably not limited to just
      metadata about data but also metadata about ogsa services in
      general.

  - EMS: Ravi to produce agenda

  - Information: 
    - Three parts: Introduction, Naming, Logging BoF
    - Introduction: Abdeslem to do the status review
    - Naming: (Andrew)
      - Not just a technical issue; need industry buy in to be successful
      - Need to work on fundamental issues and identify basic
        requirements
      - Jay will be attending, but the WSDM or WSN people (Bryan,
        William, etc) are not likely to attend GGF12.
      - Session time is also not teleconf friendly
    - Logging BoF ad-hoc as last item on agenda
      - Need minimum of 3 active entities
        - Have IBM, Hitachi and looking for the 3rd part
        - Bill has one more party in mind and is working to convince
          them to join.
      - Andrew knows of one more possibly interested party; will send
        Bill details.

  - Hiro to put roadmap discussion in one of the two sessions:
     - EMS design team #2; or
     - Self-mgmt

  - Security
     - Options to name an EPR and what are the consequences of doing
       so. E.g., put policy on it, communicate preference, etc.
     - Take a specific example and work through it
     - Obviously related to naming
     - Andrew to do an SGNP presentation (20-30 minutes) 
     - Frank+Takuya to discuss their position paper (accepted to W3C
       workshop)
     
  - A number of related activities (workshops, bofs etc) are on the
    spread sheet.

* AI review

  - Andrew's action to add an 8th question:
    - Changed to modifying question 4 to explicitly state OGSA; 
    - Also has sparked a discussion on what flaship architecture means
      and how GGF should re-organize itself.
    - Subject of discussion on Sunday's GFSG meeting

  - Event sub-group seems not to have started yet; waiting to see how
    we can get involved.
    - Event schema; WS-N based
    - Need to feed in requirements; Abdeslem also wants to be involved
      in this discussion

  - AR notes: followup at GGF12

  - MDS representative: no update.

  - Core design team: Discussed today. Will meet during a GGF12
    design.