DAIS-WG Telcon - Monday 11th December 2006 ------------------------------------------ Chair: Dave Pearson Note taker: Mario Antonioletti Attendees: Dave Pearson, Oracle Mario Antonioletti, EPCC Isao Kojima, AIST Said Mirza Pahlevi, AIST Asunción Gómez Pérez, UPM Miguel Esteban Gutiérrez, UPM Agenda ------ - Progress update - Discussion on RDF strawman specification - AOB Actions: [DP] Let Dave de Roure to know that the RDF docs are coming out and get him to publicise them at the W3C. [DP] Try to get Oracle folks to look at the RDF documents and comment on these too. [All] Notify DP of any other people that might be interested in reviewing these documents or have a general interest in this area. [DP] Send a reminder to key people about MEG's query sent to the DAIS mailing list. +--- DP asked for progress reports about the RDF straw-man documents and whether there have any issues. MEG: At UPM: o Have identified one additional type of resource not described at the last OGF meeting - the selector, for a resource on top of other repositories - provides a means of going from the selector to a specific repository. o Have reviewed the methods - have looked at ODM from the OMG as a possible means of doing this. o Having some issues with properties - for controlling the resources, e.g. check the validity of the arguments, have to check that resources actually exist - RDF does not provide any mechanism for this. Want to be able to enable/disable reasoning - may want/not want to check the hierarchies. Want to this at the resource level and not at the message level. o Sent an email to the DAIS mailing list about inconsistencies in the WS-DAI core and WS-DAIR specs which no one has answered yet: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/dais-wg/2006-November/000178.html Planned to deliver our spec on the 15/12 but will probably have to wait until the 22 or 29 of December now through work constraints. Currently using html to generate the document - at some later point will convert to word. DP: think it's ok for now but the final version should probably be in word format. ... Has the number of operations/complexity been reduced from what was presented at Washington? MEG: Have found a way of reducing the number of operations/messages. Have been working on this. DP: Dave de Roure has expressed interest in this work and could look at it and publicise within W3C once the document goes public. DP could also publicise this document with folks inside Oracle. ... DP asks IK for an update. IK: currently have a document without WSDL - may be able to distribute this document by the 22/12. This will have the WSDL in it. SMP: have not had any major issues with progress. MAA: asks about consistency between the two documents. MEG: have not considered consistency issues. Will try to do this now. Try to write a document with a common model and terminology. DP: suggests that they can have a list of outstanding issues at the end of the documents and this can be one of them and use it as a means of inviting comment on the documents. ... At the end of December we can get two documents posted to the list, then try to get as much feedback as possible Folks should let DP know of other people that may be interested in reviewing these documents. DP asked if anyone has wanted to join in writing the specs. MEG: no. Have not really publicised this work. IK: no, have not had much interest either. DP: hopefully you will get more collaboration once the documents go public. Would be helpful also to indicate who might be interested in using an RDF spec. Shall see what happens at OGF19. MEG will be at OGF, IK and SMP will be going. MAA may be going. DP cannot confirm whether he will be attending yet. We have a DAIS session booked for OGF. DP wants to know whether we want the 45 minute session to be extended to 90 minutes. Most of the 45 minutes could be used for RDF, so the consensus is that this should be enough - no need to change the timing. Next telcon is agreed for 1pm GMT on the 16th of January. AOB: DP: there has been a request from the DMTF (Ellen Stokes) to review some document based on input from DAIS gave for the CIM model. It would be good for people to look at these and comment. o URI Format for DMTF Published XML Schema http://www.dmtf.org/standards/published_documents/DSP0225.pdf o CIM Binding http://www.dmtf.org/standards/published_documents/DSP0227.pdf o WS-CIM Mapping Specification http://www.dmtf.org/standards/published_documents/DSP0230.pdf There is likely to be a telcon on the 11th of January to discuss these. DP thanks people for attending the telcon and for the effort put in producing the documents. DONM: 1pm GMT, 16th of January.