DAIS Telcon 27/05/04 ==================== Chair: Dave Pearson Minutes: Mario Antonioletti Present: Mario Antonioletti, EPCC Dave Berry, NeSC Susan Malaika, IBM Norman Paton, University of Manchester Simon Laws, IBM Brian Collins, IBM Dave Pearson, Oracle Agenda: Actions from the previous telcon Planning for GGF11 AoB - Specwriters and GGF12 dates - Full f2f meeting Dead Actions ------------ [Norman] The deliverable in the charter will mention what we intend to do with composite request framework task. Deliverables have taken out of the charter and the charter document has been sent to the area directors. Would be more appropriate to add something back in as opposed to take it out. No deliverables on object databases or composite requests on the charter. Dave has not heard back from Malcolm or Greg. [Simon] Document the DAIS folks that are liaising with other GGF WGs. Brian has extended his slide set. Brian will present this in Hawaii. It should be extended in the future as the need arises. ---- o Planning for GGF11 Dave Pearson starts discussing the DAIS sessions that are to take place at GGF11. session 1 - June 7th, 4pm-5:30 Grid Data Service Specification update. Norman has produced some slides for this. This clashes with the Grid Storage Management session. We may want to have someone representing us there. session 2 - June 8th at 12:30-2pm - Realisation Specifications Brian doing the relational and Amy doing the XML. Brian has already produced some slides for this. This session clashes with WSRF-WSN and WSRF interop session. Dave B: imagine that that the interop session is comparing WSRF implementations... Susan: In WSRF-WSN summaries of what is happening in OASIS will be given. Someone from DAIS should be there. One of us could pop-out... session 3 - June 8th, 430-5:30 - DAIS specs and related specs. This will be between Allen and Brian. Norman: Allen is aware of this session ... the purpose is not to go over the Data Services document but rather discuss how we move this document forward in relation with the other DAIS specs and make sure that an updated version of this document is produced for GGF12 based on the feedback we get from this sessions... Susan: Allen will be attending... Norman: Allen and I have interacted on this. Will have an update at the session. Will also have a heads up on the object database work that has been going on and invite interested parties to join in on this effort. Dave: This session clashes with High Performance Networking, ... other sessions listed and a brief discussion was had on clashes, most notably the CMM session. Susan: CIM tutorial also clashes with the OGSA-DAI tutorial on the Thursday. Dave: session 4 - June 9th 10-11:30 am, Mapping discussion. Simon: Savas is producing slides based on the diagrams from the document, Savas can talk and there will be a panel with Savas, Sastry and A.N.Other ... have not found that other person yet.... Norman: what about Susan? Susan: could probably come up with something ... have been discussing things in the OASIS mailing list ... could probably say something. Norman: we really want a WSRF person ... and Susan has been involved in WSRF and is aware of the data issues ... Simon: ... still want to see whether Steve Tuecke and/or Dave Snelling are available ... or for them to volunteer someone ... not sure if they are available. Dave: ... but I still think that Susan should go as she is aware of the data issues ... the downside is that we have another session of interest with which this clashes which is the files BOF .... Brian: have sent an email to Stacy Bruno... they are unwilling to change the schedule. I was wondering whether we could something nearer the time ... Dave: the nearer the time the more difficult it will be ... Norman: ... however we managed to sort this out with regards to the Infod BOF at GGF10 ... would like to have a decent number of people present at the Files BOF ... this is a bit of a concern ... Susan: is there a better spot? Brian: have found about 3 which I sent to Stacey ... Neil was going to send out invites next week ... Dave: I am happy to send an email about trying to reschedule ... will cc it to David and Peter ... make sure that we publicise the other sessions ... people could still go and register an interest at the end of the DAIS session. This last DAIS session also clashes with the semantic grid which is unfortunate. Dave: other sessions? Dave B: Malcolm is one of the speakers in a panel session on June 7, 2pm (EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE OGSA SERVICE MODEL... how ogsa services will benefit applications ... Malcolm will talk about Data and Data Service ... would encourage people to go to this ... Dave: this clashes with the DAFDL WG ... Susan: CGS and transaction management ... there are two sessions. The first is on a charter discussion and the second is on June 9th ... the CGS session 2 is on wed at 8 and session 1 is on the 7th June 6-6:30... would welcome attendance and there is also a tutorial ... looking for people to register ... all the tutorials on Thursday have a low registration ... infod is on Tues just after the WSRF session is at 2pm on June 8th .. straight after a DAIS session. There is a data area meeting ... on June the 7th that we should go to ... ... Dave: I'll put a list together of the sessions of interest to the DAIS folks that they might consider going to and mail it to the list ... do we need to meet with anyone in particular? ... to develop relationships ... Susan: might be good for the DAIS people to meet together.. Norman: there's a slot on June the 9th to have lunch... Dave: could meet with the CGS people .... Susan: are you not going to go to the meeting ...? Dave: it's just that have emails in my mailbox suggesting meetings. Susan: the calls have been patchy and only allowed 3 people ... Dave: lunchtime on the 9th then? Brian: might be good to get all the DAIS people to meet all ... Sunday brunch? ... Dave: I'll send everyone an email with these details... Some discussion of people's travel plans ensued. Discussion as to whether the mappings document has been publicised outside DAIS. o AoB - Specwriters and GGF12 dates Brian: saw an email for the dates for GGF12 ... the early date came as a bit of a shock... Susan: think they are trying to make it coincide with OASIS... Brian: if you take the document deadline will probably be on the 6th of September which clashes with the UK All Hands Meeting and there is also the summer holidays where it might be difficult to get a quorate to meet ... could have a f2f at the all hand's meeting? Norman: if we met on the same week then there would be no time .. Dave: would probably need a meeting in late July... Susan: there is an OASIS f2f in the UK at the end of July ... would make sense to coordinate ... there's also Dave Berry's f2f. Norman: may be difficult to synchronize this just now ... we have Dave's dates in the ogsa mailing list ... went out on the 21st of May ... maybe we should try to do something adjacent ... Susan: is this a DAIS f2f or a spec writer's f2f? Norman: it may be a DAIS f2f ... we hope that the specs are going to move forward more incrementally from here onwards ... this means that in a certain sense we may move the specs in response to feedback so that from now to GGF12 we could try to get the OGSA Data Services spec document in line... Brian: it would be good to have the OGSA Data Services and then a DAIS f2f and then a spec writer's meeting ... Norman: might be a big chunk ... but people could pick and choose Susan: OASIS meeting is the last week in July ... Norman: these do not coincide with the dates that Dave sent out ... Dave: a good way to sort this out might be to sort this out at GGF11 ... Brian: something to talk about at brunch ... Dave: it also involves other people but we could certainly try to come up with a set of suitable dates ... can decide whether we will need one meeting or several others .... - Full f2f meeting Already covered. Simon: previously discussed the use of Grid Forge to note ... should try to capture issues that arise at GGF11 in a systematic fashion. Should use Grid Forge... Norman: one of the other things we thought we would do is to try and get some XML database vendors involved in the process ... do people have contacts that we could use with XML database vendors? Susan: someone to give input into the specs? Norman: yes and possibly become involved int he writing of the specs ... Susan: could get the people at the next XQuery call to publicise this. ...